Our instance is only defederated from one other instance and it’s lemmygrad. My question is why? It doesn’t seem like a hate group or anything as far as I can tell. Can someone fill me in?
I hope I posted this to the right place; still getting used to how lemmy works. If I should post elsewhere, let me know.
…while still being federated with the fascist exploding-heads.com
Clicked on it and the first thing I saw is “women’s bodies were meant for the male gaze”
I’m not a fan of lemmygrad at all but yeah thats wild lol
My only gripe with using FMHY as my main.
Sounds like more defederation is needed, not less.
Or just no defederation at all.
Wait, can we talk about this? Nobody said anything so I tought we were waiting until this server became a target to defederate them or something, I basically have everything from that instance blocked
@Kaizen@lemmy.fmhy.ml, @admin@lemmy.fmhy.ml, @zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml, @nbats@lemmy.fmhy.ml,
would you please join the conversation?
Yeah we’ve discussed it more and we decided we’re defeding exploding. As far as why we’re defeded from lemmygrad, they’re just known for causing problems similar to exploding heads and we just want to keep things drama free.
If you guys can link some bad posts that are actively encouraged by the instance then I’ll add it to the blocked list. (This is why it isn’t blocked right now - all I’ve heard is that it’s just right wing, which doesn’t constitute a block.)
Doesn’t seem like it’s the majority of users or people on the instance. From nbats on disc:
I just need more proof they’re actually super malicious because most of the stuff linked was downvoted on exploding. in other words yeah shitheads exist there, but they don’t seem to be the majority really
EDIT: after some further discussion we’ve decided to defederate. we’ll be making a post sometime soon with a defederation policy.
Eyy yo what the fuck. I didn’t know that. I’ll likely unsubscribe if they keep them in their loop
And this is why I wish instance user blocking was an option rather than just the nuclear option of defederating.
That’s fucked up
Not anymore
Just moved over and I can say first hand that these guys aren’t as bad as you say. Its mostly edgy comedy and politics.
Oh I know how that goes. You start with people knowing it’s ironic then it gets filled with people who don’t know they are being made fun of.
Hell, the entire Flat Earth thing started as a joke. Just a bunch of people going “wouldn’t it be funny if we started memeing about the earth being flat?” And now here we are a few years later, with flat earthers launching rockets into space and subsequently disregarding the results that they get.
Creating a conspiracy theory for people to go down such as FE harms society. It causes people to fall into other conspiratorial ideas and those inevitably lead to anti-semitism.
Before everyone came over from reddit Lemmygrad was even more extreme than it is now, and was one of the largest Lemmy instances. You basically had to either defederate from Lemmygrad or have every conversation get derailed by people going on about how Stalin was actually a pretty chill dude. Defederating from Lemmygrad probably isn’t so important anymore, but it’s just kind of stuck around out of inertia at this point, I think.
Before everyone came over from reddit Lemmygrad was even more extreme than it is now, and was one of the largest Lemmy instances.
This is correct. After all, setting up an instance like Lemmygrad -as an alternative places where discussing politics (especially leftist politics) outside of reddit’s moderation reach- was one of the reasons Lemmy was developed in the first place. Lemmy’s developers are not shy about it, they include it in the official docs.
Lmao it’s literally in the name. Like Leningrad
I had not picked up on this. Thanks for pointing that out.
Doesn’t hurt that Dessalines got banned from reddit for posting Uyghur genocide apologetics. He wanted a safe space where that’s cool.
Well when I was first choosing a lemmy instance to call home I looked into lemmygrad. The sign up message basically said Marxist Lennists and friends only don’t like those don’t join. Which if you pardon the pun is a red flag.
Then I read some posts and basically anything not Marxist Lenninst or Socialism with Chineese characeristics was basically called evil and shunned. Every post I read was just so hostile to any thought even slightly different to theirs. Being called a CIA asset in a posted article was an interesting one I must say.
I saw one post from Lemmygrad and it was like listening to MAGA heads, except instead of conservatism, it was extreme communism.
Extremists on either side are not good.
Okay, but if you’re going to defederate from one instance for ideological reasons, why not others? Someone else linked another instance that is pretty extreme in its right wing ideology, so to not defederate from that one seems sketchy.
I agree with that; but I’m not in control of any instance to make that decision.
Sorry, I’m not saying you are. I’m just thinking that it’s good to talk about as people who choose to use this instance. Maybe we can ask the person who does run it to change it if we all agree? Idk
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@Kolanaki why is extremism “not good”?
It’s a pain in the arse when people make sweeping statements like that.
I see myself as an extremist, self described as on the radical far left. However I’m no way a tankie obsessed with Stalin and Mao and certainly not about to pretend genocides weren’t committed.
There’s certainly takeaways from Stalin and Maos and the ideology they moulded, but too quick people jump to their defences but equally any communism is instantly shot down as crazy.
Guess I’m rambling now. Basically in summary, you can be an extremist on the left that isn’t authoritarian whilst still wanting everyone in society to have a fair share
Tbh what you’re describing isn’t extremism, but quite based. It only seems extreme because everyone has drifted so far right that any kind of leftist talking points are framed as being externe.
Oh I agree. That was kind of what I was getting at I suppose.
The overton window has catapulted so much to the fat right that ‘everyone should have access to healthcare’ is an ‘absurd’ and ‘marxist’ opinion.
It is a hate group in a way, it’s just what they hate is the US, capitalism, “the west”, etc. And their solution is “bring back the ussr at any cost”, so you see a lot of “Ukraine was totally asking for it” and similar.
I get your point, but the US, capitalism and The West aren’t protected characteristics.
I’m on the far left, I think Stalin Simps are silly and deluded. The tankie love over there is too much. Whilst I am critical of NATO and their role in flaming the ongoing conflict in Ukraine I’d in no way try absolving Russia of their actions either.
Ew. That sounds like a gross bunch of people.
That doesn’t sound like socialism at all, rather fascism with a hammer and sickle painted on its face
Here they talk about this instance stand on defederation. It has some
vagueresponses about this.Edit: there are some not actually vague
I’m in no way a tankie, but their reasoning is lacking for me if they aren’t going to also de-federate from exploding heads etc
I picked the SDF instance for this reason, otherwise I would be on aussie.zone or lemmygrad as my main. I also have one on lemmy.ml but I prefer to distribute the server load.
Honestly I may change instances over it… It doesn’t sit right with me to only defederate from just an extreme leftist instance instead of both that and the extreme right one.
I’d personally rather defederate from neither and leave it up to the individual user to block what they don’t want to see
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Here we go with this question again…
I will let smarter people explain this this time.
Edit: sorry for my useless comment, my initial thought was that it may help give the post more visibility but when I realised that it would get responses anyway it was already too late to back out lol.
Honestly they should probably add a notes field to the federation page so people can stop asking these questions.
Yeah, that would be good.
Wait wait, I just remembered something. I think that they added a field for a reason for defederation but I may remember something wrong.
My bad, I assumed that it may be already implemented because there’s a “reason” field on this site: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=lemmy.fmhy.ml
@nondescript_citizen “Why do these people defederate from us? We did nothing wrong.”
Yep, that’s how it goes. Thin-skinned people will defederate from you just because you federate with some other people. Some instances defederate from you because of arguments over frontends. Some instances defederate from everyone (Gab).
They usually have this funny idea that if they defederate from a group of people, that their posts get through and get exposure but not vice-versa. What they don’t get is that users typically mute instances that don’t federate with them, so it ends up being two-way most of the time.
